Crosman M4-177KT Tactical Style Variable Pump .177-Caliber Pellet/BB Air Rifle Kit

Crosman M417 bb/pellet pneumatic pump rifle Great price, I have seen many airsoft versions of this rifle for more money, and this one is much more accurate than any airsoft is gonna be!With all the weaver rails you can add many accessories.. Some people think the front two weaver rails are un-usable because of having to pump the foregrip.Just get youself an offset mount for a taclight to mount to the underside of the front sight, and to mount a vertical foregrip to the bottom of the pump's weaver rail, just put a quick release on it so you can take it on and off quckly and easily to pump up the air. OR a better option is to buy a vertical foregrip that is like one of those 5 position foregrips that you can swing down/collapse such that it sits flat up against the foregrip.. then you can pump it without it getting in the way... but you will have to push the button on the vertical foregrip and move it to position one each time you wish to pump.... then move it back to position three to use as a normal foregrip, or to put it back into the "vertical" position.Overall a very good gun, especially for the price.. My only complaints is there are two places made of plastic that should have been made of metal. The point where the buttstock attaches to the receiever is very very weak and you must be careful or you may break off the rear buttstock mount completely.Also, the screw that holds the front plastic piece in place at the pivot point of the pump should be metal, mine has already cracked and I have tried everything to get it back together, superglue, cement, etc..But it just keep on cracking back in the same place, making the gun terrible for accuracy at long ranges, because the barrel moves slightly out of alignment with each pump.Just be careful with both of these places and the gun will last a long time and you can make it look very cool with all the weaver rail options available on the gun. It looks very cool and feels great in the hand. Perfect for training for the real thing... it is made from the mold of a real AR15 and every detail is exact and looks perfect. Just be easy with the plastic buttstock mount and the plastic pivot point of the pump, and this gun will give you many years of fun and nice accurate shooting. Without the crack in the front part, I was getting tight pellet groups the size of a nickel at 15 meters with a 4x scope.I have a video of the gun and some of the possible configurations and mods you make to it on my youtube channel, just goto Perryinjax channel on YouTube and you will see a video entitled"Beowulf Mod for Crosman M4-177 with homemade suppressor"Or you can just goto youtube and enter the following phrase into the search que box.Enter these words into any page on YouTube in the search box at the top;"Perryinjax Mod for Crosman M4-177"A nice gun for the money, should cost twice as much, but I wish there were two areas where the gun was reinforced a bit better because of the plastic failing under normal operating conditions, the buttstock attachment point and the pivot point of the pump. Other than that it is perfect and I love it. I have owned three and loved them all.

This was my next purchase after returning a Daisy 880 (which had serious accuracy problems).What I originally wanted was an adult version of the Daisy Red Ryder, which no one makes.I wanted single lever action, but over 400 fps and NO CO2. I HATE loading bb's and especially pellets, so I wanted something simple and easy. A single shot break barrel was out of the question for me.I own a real M4, so the idea to fulfill a training need to replace the M4 with a multi-pump gun seemed like a joke to me.But as a bb pellet gun, don't dismiss this gun based on it's looks. This is a really well designed gun.The horizontal sliding pellet clip is pure genius as is the bb holder & resivour design and the fact that it holds the sight adjustment tool and two spare clips in the fake magazine. All of this is awesome. The bb's and pellets are super-easy to load, so if you are like me, you will love this gun.So, let's get to the elephant in the room...... it's a multi-pump air gun, which means at least twice as much work as the Red Ryder.However, I took a 2x2 piece of redwood and did a penetration test. 1 of 4 stuck into the wood with the Red Ryder. 3 of 4 stuck into the wood with only 2 pumps with the Crosman M4-177. So, for indoor plinking or targets, 2 pumps will do andwill in fact be more powerful than the Red Ryder. I did not test 2 pumps with the pellets, since I didn't want to risk a jam.With 10 pumps;The Daisy 880 sank a bb 5/16" into the wood, where the M4-177 was 3/8".HOWEVER.... the 880 was very, very easy to pump, where the M4-177 is not and after 2 pumps, i find myself putting my right hand right next to rear sight, so forget a scope.Of couse, as you would imagine, the M4-177 totally and completely feels like a toy in my hands compared to the real thing, so no surprise there. It's a lot of platic. The sights took a bit of getting used to, so plan on spending some time to understand the sights and follow the included cheat-sheet that is provided, which is really helpfull.To be improved;1. Would be really cool if the charging handled worked to pull back the bolt. The tiny, one fingered lever wears on your pinky under heavy, fast use if you are not used to it.2. Crosman desperately needs to remove the additional thing extruding from the pump handle. Not sure what that is for but it is annoying and would be much more comfortable without it.3. A break barrel version of this same gun with the same bolt and pellet clip functions would be amazing.4. A little more weight would be nice.UPDATE:Also recently purchased a Crosman DSBR SBR and I find myself reaching for this M4-177 far more often than the DRBR.The DSBR is much more realistic in every way. I am not much of a fan of full auto, but i do like the blowback and the semi-auto. The DSBR actually is a decent training tool for a .223 M4. But since it is CO2, you really shouldn't leave a charged cylinder in it.All that being said, i really love the M4-177. Much as I still love the Red Ryder.I love not having to use CO2 and having the M4-177 always ready to shoot, and not having to shoot it until the CO2 runs dry.It is also w a y quieter than the DSBR, so i can shoot it at night in my garage without disturbing anyone, even if it is just for 2 minutes, when I have a free moment.It's simple, it's accurate, it feels good, it's always ready to shoot, it shoots bb's or pellets, and it's powerful when you need it to be.If you will only own one air gun, this is it.I am very tempted to buy another one or two to just leave in the box in case this one ever dies.